The Scots Gaelic Myth

[PatrickHughes123]

Allan Thomson

Where are you getting all of this? This doesn't seem to be true history. Northumbria only ever stretched as far as the South-East of Scotland. Strathclyde, like Pictland, was absorbed directly by Alba.

Alba took the South-East of Scotland from Northumbria. It has nothing to do with Gaelic extremism.

[Allan Thomson]

Allan Thomson

Where are you getting all of this? This doesn't seem to be true history. Northumbria only ever stretched as far as the South-East of Scotland. Strathclyde, like Pictland, was absorbed directly by Alba.

Alba took the South-East of Scotland from Northumbria. It has nothing to do with Gaelic extremism.

Where am I getting this? Many books I've read & looking at history from a number of different perspectives. Places I've been, things I've seen, informed people I know.. A lifetime from an early age with the benefits of insights of archaeologists, historians and linguists..

How about the Pictish stones at Aberlemno which commemorates a battle between the Scots & the Northumbrians (have you ever seen them because I have & I also have the advantage of input from experts on the stones who have studied them to a considerable level?) proving that Northumbria was able to hit as high up as Montrose. Also the Anglo Saxon Harness fragments found in the area.

Looking at placenames and understanding how multiple interpretations can be put upon them.

Where are you getting your idea that somehow Gaelic is the only language which is relevant to the history of the people of the modern country called Scotland? Apart from dubious websites?

For some reason you've dismissed everything prior to 1200 because late in the 1100's Strathclyde still existed. Because it fits your agenda. My point is that there is strong evidence for Anglo Saxon tongues in the South of Scotland prior to the Kingdom of Albam you just don't want to acknowledge it.

[Allan Thomson]

For a start Patrick familiarise yourself with the two suggested locations of the Battle of Dun Nechtain 20th May 685 where the Kingdom of Northumbria fought the Picts to reassert their domination over territories they previously had influence over. There are two suggested locations, one in Aberlemno, the other in Badenoch with the Aberlemno being the most likely, supported by the evidence depicted on the stone in the churchyard which depictions of the helmetted figure match helmets of the same period found in York. So what were you saying about the Kingdom of Northumbria only reaching as far as South East Scotland? They must have had to have control over Fife to get as far as Aberlemno. Similarly in the same part of Scotland fragments of a Saxon Harness were found (I've said this several times and for some reason it doesn't register with you)....

Your problem is when you are looking at things from one perspective and only starting at a date which suits you, ignoring anything that went on before because it questions your idea that somehow Scotland is only a Gaelic country....

[Damion]

Allan Thomson

Where are you getting all of this? This doesn't seem to be true history. Northumbria only ever stretched as far as the South-East of Scotland. Strathclyde, like Pictland, was absorbed directly by Alba.

Alba took the South-East of Scotland from Northumbria. It has nothing to do with Gaelic extremism.

He's referring to the Battle of Nectansmere in the 7th century where the Anglians were defeated, but this was a century and a half before the Scots and Picts unified (how ever that happened).

Northumbria consisted of three regions, Lothian, Bernicia, Deira. All three are thought to represent British Kingdoms that were absorbed by the Angles. The old Welsh poem Y Gododdin represents one of the last attempts by the Gododdin tribe to turn back Anglian encroachment. Based somewhere in Lothian, perhaps Edinburgh, this British army marched south to reclaim land - I think in Deira. They were defeated and the Anglians eventually took Lothian itself and added it to Northumbria.

Later the Scots took the northern third of the Kingdom which was Lothian and the northern part of Bernicia to the Tweed.