Highland regiments sporran chart

[OC Richard]

Dear OC Richard, I think the highlighted sporran is specific only to the drum major, another similar sporran with 3 tails is unique to the pipe-major, the rest SNCOs wore the standard badger head sporran.

It's a messy situation which I don't fully understand. Here's the two-tassel DM and three-tassel PM as you point out.



The Colour-Sergeant also wore two tassels



The messy part is that there was a second type of cantle as well. That boxy cantle at some point was replaced by this one, similar though not identical to the common cast-thistle cantle that's become ubiquitous for civilian horsehair sporrans.



What I don't know is if it's a 1st Battalion/2nd Battalion thing. As we know in the period immediately following the 1881 amalgamations the non-kilted Battalion of each pair would have to acquire the kit of the kilted Battalion.

But since both Battalions already had Pipes & Drums some items of pre-amalgamation kit continued to be worn. (The Seaforths never did put both Battalions' pipers in fully matching kit.)

So I don't know whether or not the boxy cantle and rounded cantle survived side-by-side in the two Battalions, but it can be seen that eventually the boxy cantle was discontinued and both Battalions ended up wearing the same rounded cantle.

In 20th century photos both the Pipe Major and Drum Major are seen wearing the same three-tassel rounded-top sporrans, however from the photos I've seen the white sporran only survived for these two positions, no longer worn by the Colour Sergeant and whatever other Senior Sergeants might have worn it in Victorian times.



(Note that the DM above's cantle is not the traditional Argylls pattern, but the common civilian pattern, which by the way was later adopted by certain other regimental pipers in modern times.)

[blackwatch70]

It's a messy situation which I don't fully understand. Here's the two-tassel DM and three-tassel PM as you point out.



The Colour-Sergeant also wore two tassels

The Drum Major on the left and the Colour-Sergeant between the Colours is the same guy that's why sporran is same.

[blackwatch70]

It's a messy situation which I don't fully understand. Here's the two-tassel DM and three-tassel PM as you point out.

I suppose, the round top of sporrans with 3 tassels for Drum- and Pipe Majors were characteristic of the 1st Battalion from the beginning, that's why they remained after 1948, when both battalions were amalgamated.

The PM of the 1st A&SH is on your photo, just compare to 2nd A&SH, PM William Robb below.

[OC Richard]

Thanks for that photo! I'd not seen that one.

Here's a pre-amalgamation photo, I'm supposing it's the Pipe Major of the 93rd Foot.



Here's the Pipe Major (far left) and pipers of the 91st Foot in 1872, which became 1st Battalion Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders in 1881.

The PM looks like he's wearing the same crossbelt hardware as the 1st Battalion PM above.



I don't have a clear photo of the Pipers' sporran cantle, in this painting it just might be the same cantle which is later seen worn by the PM and DM of the 2nd Battalion Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders.



It makes sense, to keep the same sporran but change from six short tassels to three long ones. (The holes would already be in the right places.)

Question is, when the rest of the 2nd Battalion pipers got the grey sporrans, were they two-tassel, or three? I've seen old photos of Argylls pipers wearing both sorts.

[blackwatch70]

Thanks for that photo! I'd not seen that one.

Here's a pre-amalgamation photo, I'm supposing it's the Pipe Major of the 93rd Foot.




I don't have a clear photo of the Pipers' sporran cantle, in this painting it just might be the same cantle which is later seen worn by the PM and DM of the 2nd Battalion Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders.



It makes sense, to keep the same sporran but change from six short tassels to three long ones. (The holes would already be in the right places.)

Yes You are correct, this is pre-amalgamation photo of the Pipe Major of the 93rd Foot.

Here is detailed photo of Piper 1st A&SH some time after amalgamation, he's wearing new regimental collar dogs but old 91st pipers uniform.
Sure You have seen this photo...

[OC Richard]

Here is detailed photo of Piper 1st A&SH some time after amalgamation, he's wearing new regimental collar dogs but old 91st pipers uniform.
Sure You have seen this photo...

No I haven't seen that! Thanks!

I've seen photos of 1st Battalion A&SH enlisted men and officers wearing trews, which as you say is understandable because they were overseas at the time of amalgamation.

And likewise it makes total sense for the pipers to be in old 91st kit until they had a chance to change over.

Did the pipers of the 91st really have a red stripe in their tartan? Barnes gives "Campell tartan" for the 1864 granting of trews and plaids to the 91st (but he says the 72nd wore Dress Stuart, so who can say).

[blackwatch70]

Did the pipers of the 91st really have a red stripe in their tartan? Barnes gives "Campell tartan" for the 1864 granting of trews and plaids to the 91st (but he says the 72nd wore Dress Stuart, so who can say).

I think so, is there any doubt?

"The year 1864 was a landmark in the annals of the regiment. It was remembered by many others not connected with the regiment because of the newspaper correspondence that ensued in regard to the “Campbell tartan.” No one seemed to know exactly which was the set used by the original members of the 91st, although, as it turned out, the only one who was right was the Duke of Argyll. The consensus of opinion by those deemed most expert was in favour of the set showing the red stripe, which, though resembling too closely the tartan of the Atholls, the old enemy of the Campbells, was the tartan adopted and used by the 91st until their union with the 93rd."

https://electricscotland.com/history...seandwar17.htm

[figheadair]

Did the pipers of the 91st really have a red stripe in their tartan? Barnes gives "Campell tartan" for the 1864 granting of trews and plaids to the 91st (but he says the 72nd wore Dress Stuart, so who can say).

Richard, not specifically pipers but you'll recall that we discussed the 91st tartan in a previous thread - here.

[OC Richard]

Here's something that doesn't come up often, a Cameron Highlanders Officers undress sporran.

It's the same as the Other Ranks sporran but with a high-quality Sterling Silver badge.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/235671992859

[blackwatch70]

Question is, when the rest of the 2nd Battalion pipers got the grey sporrans, were they two-tassel, or three? I've seen old photos of Argylls pipers wearing both sorts.

I think pipers of both battalions were officially supplied grey sporrans with 3 black tassels just after amalgamation 1881 but as we can see pipers of the 1st Battalion still wore old pattern sporrans some time (I suppose because in 1881 the 1st Battalion served in South Africa whilst the 2nd Battalion remained in the UK until 1892 and it is obvious that in this case of abroad battalion changing small elements of the uniform could take a long time).

One more 1st Battn piper (ex 91st ) still wearing 91st pattern dirk but new sporran.


Pipers of 93rd probably wore 2 tassels sporrans before 1881 amalgamation




and changed to 3-tassels just after.