I just got 4 of the same ones Rob is talking about. I have not had a chance to wear them yet. This weekend I am going to give them a shot. They seem good for the money. I contacted the guy (Randy) because I could not find any offered on ebay when I was looking. He was nice and made them to order for me and charged me $14.99 each and gave me free shipping since I bought 4 of them.