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    To add to that, it's my understanding that, in the wreath, the first twist is normally (always?) the metal (or or argent), and the next twist is the color.

    To give the other answer to the question, the motto can be in any language, as far as I know. In English arms the motto is often in Latin, French, or English. In Scottish arms the motto may also be in Scots or Gaelic.

    Also, while English is the base language of English (and Scottish) heraldry, and medieval French is the source of most of the specialized vocabulary, there are a few terms (e.g. dexter and sinister) that were borrowed directly from Latin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morris at Heathfield View Post
    To add to that, it's my understanding that, in the wreath, the first twist is normally (always?) the metal (or or argent), and the next twist is the color.
    Generally speaking this is the case, however some petitioners have been granted specific livery colours and these may then be displayed as the wreath (or torse as it is sometimes called). Cyril Woods of Slane, Baron of Slane chose to have his livery colours (unusually three colours; or, sable, and gules) so displayed in the exemplification of his arms on his letters patent.

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    Thanks

    Thanks Piperdbh for the question, and Scott for the detailed answer. I will save your response for a deciphering tool in the future! Very helpful.

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    I too would like to add to MacMillan's sons post and thank all those who have contributed their knowledge to this thread.
    As far a heraldry goes I am a ninkanpoop and dunderhead, but with your extremely helpfull explanations, I should be able to work out what is going on in future discusions, well at least to some degree and not simply sit and stare at the screen and think "what are they on about?"

    Thankyou again and cheers
    Shoot straight you bastards. Don't make a mess of it. Harry (Breaker) Harbord Morant - Bushveldt Carbineers

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