I just received the Allen Edmonds MacNeil shoes I mentioned in post #33 above. I am very pleased! They are simply so superior to all the shoes I tried on previously.

Interesting that Dale-of-Cedars went shorter and narrower. I went up 1/2 size and 1 width wider (10E instead of 9 1/2 D) so they would work with kilt hose and the fit is perfect.

As noted above by davidlpope, they do have a thick sole. However, they look perfect for wear every day in a suited office environment where they will not be pampered. I would not get them specifically for truly formal wear once or twice a year shoes.

I have no idea how they managed to get a photo of these shiny black shoes. My photos do not turn out well at all, but since pics are "in the rules"...

As soon as I got home (stoked they arrived):


And with kilt hose (Lewis hose from Scottish Tartans Museum):