"Jacobite" garb

[Erikm]

Had a blast at the Minden LA, Tartan Festival here are a few pics me and a friend, his stuff was put together at the last minute as you can see with the modern kilt but we had fun.Thanks everyone for there help with my Jacobite gear

[Woodsheal]

When you first belt your plaid on, you'll have the two upper corners hanging down in front. Pull each of these corners around to the back and tuck into the belt. This will take up some of the weight of that mass of fabric.
Next, grasp the center edge of the length still hanging down in back, pull it up and a little over your left shoulder and pin it there:



If it's pinned a bit on the forward side of your coat, it won't pull the coat down as much in back.

Another practice was to sew a little loop of fabric onto that center-edge point, and a button on the jacket shoulder, and fasten it up that way. You can see that method used here:



I only use the across-the-chest method when dressed as a dirt-poor coatless humblie!

[Captain_Cogle]

Being a little harsh, are we? Looks to me like most of the garb is correct, barring a few little details, just put on incorrectly. I mean, in comparison to Woodsheal... Gabe, if you want to come to Denver next weekend, I can teach you how to put a great kilt on correctly!

Not being harsh in the slightest. Being honest. There is a difference.

The garb is not correct at all. The shoes are not 18th century style, the coat is not an 18th century cut, the kilt is not belted correctly, knit hose rather than correct sewn hose, a 19th century or later sporran. The belt is 100% inaccurate for the 18th Century.

I want to make it PERFECTLY clear I am not in any way shape or form saying this in order to belittle or insult any one. He asked, what is wrong. The answer, well, everything.

I mean you really cant tell the difference between the two impressions in those pictures you re-posted? Seriously?
The guy doesn't look bad! His kit simply is not historically correct. Simple as that. Its wonderful that he wants to improve on it. That is to be commended and applauded, but plenty of people have no regard for historical authenticity in any regard and then make shameful attempts to justify their rape of history.

Criticism comes hard. Many of us long experienced reenactors have made many many many mistakes. I sure as hell have! When I first started Jacobite reenacting I grew a big thick beard, and had many of the other anachronisms that one commonly finds. I made my first kit from modern tartan kit fabric which is utterly wrong in all regards for 18th century garb. I even wore a stupid brooch to pin my kilt up and wore my sporran from a chain.

Over the years and with hard research and study and asking more experienced gentlemen similar to Woodsheal I have learned what was wrong with my kit taking their criticism which can come across as you claim it to be "harsh" but it pointed me in the right directions.

Making ones kit historically accurate is a LOOOOOOOOONG expensive tough road but the end of the road is truly a delight! One can be proud of the impression that they end up with.

Bottom line is dont take it personal. Just take it seriously.

[Captain_Cogle]

[Hothir Ethelnor]

the coat is not an 18th century cut, the kilt is not belted correctly,

Other than that section I agree.

Perhaps the kilt should be pinned in the back only. I will have to give it another go or perhaps abandon the Feilidh Mhor for a wee kilt. But I am not convinced that the only way a Highlander ever wore his plaid when wearing a jacket was that way. Or that that is necessarily the norm. Now perhaps if I am able to do enough in depth research to come to that conclusion I will be happy to. But simply making arrogant sounding remarks and statements of absolute surety is likely to make me dismiss you (which I shouldn't.)

Now on to the cut of the jacket. I modified a 16th century pattern (French and Indian war period American civilian's coat) that was too large for me and the neckline came out lower than I anticipated. I was using some cheaper blanket like tartan to make the coat so I was not overly particular that it be 100% perfect on the first go. I don't see how the cut of the jacket (from what you can see of it) is unlike the paintings often used as references here and some of those seen on this thread which passed by with little or no comment. Solid colour contrasting cuffs are commonly found in reference sources, if it's the facings or perhaps the way the cuffs were cut or something, tell me what your beef with it is AND WHY it's so darn wrong.

I am simply a bit flabbergasted that you blew off the coat (which I assumed from my admittedly limited research and the source of my pattern) was acceptable.

Everything else I wore was simply what I had lying around that I threw on to finish "the look" for a group which has no real idea of what a 1745 highlander should look like or probably will ever care one way or the other.

[Erikm]

Not to change the subject that is one reason I went with a philabeg kilt,I could not tell you the first thing about belted plaid lolThe only thing I can say is I have been at it for almost two years now,and I still don't have everything and 100 percent accurate!

[auld argonian]

I love the irony in the statement about the expense and length of time needed to be historically accurate...time and money so you can look like some fella who had maybe one fiftieth of the personal posessions that you have and who probably had ten minutes to get his $#!+ together, kiss his wife and go off to the '45.

Best

AA

[Woodsheal]

I love the irony in the statement about the expense and length of time needed to be historically accurate...time and money so you can look like some fella who had maybe one fiftieth of the personal posessions that you have and who probably had ten minutes to get his $#!+ together, kiss his wife and go off to the '45.

Best

AA

Well, that fella in 1745 wore certain things and carried certains. If he was a front-rank clan "gentleman" he owned the full panoply of highland weapons and wore all the fancy tartan clothes. Going down the economic scale would indeed exhibit less "stuff" in terms of arms and clothes, but still stuff unique to the period.

None of that stuff, from whatever level you're trying to portray, is mass produced or cheaply available in today's market. Reenactors are a tiny niche market! So, yeah - getting a proper period kit together can run into some serious bucks....

[Hothir Ethelnor]

Yep unless you can make it all yourself which fortunately I can.

I am still wondering though if there are serious problems with the pattern I used for the jacket. I have made period clothing for reenactors and for films and am fully aware of the hassles in getting something "correct"

[Woodsheal]

Yep unless you can make it all yourself which fortunately I can.

I am still wondering though if there are serious problems with the pattern I used for the jacket. I have made period clothing for reenactors and for films and am fully aware of the hassles in getting something "correct"

Do you have a clearer or close-up pic of your jacket? The contrasting cuffs are great, but it's difficult to see the actual cut of the coat in the posted photo...