"Jacobite" garb

[The Bear]

When little kilts came into common usage, plaids were still worn - or 'carried' might be a more accurate term. For example:



I'm pretty sure such plaids were somewhat larger than today's 'fly plaids'....

I was thinking about putting an outfit like this togather. Am i right in thinking this is from the 1790s period? To my understanding they were using box pleats at this point. What kind of shoulder plaid would be good for this outfit?

[Peter Crowe]

Lowlanders did not wear highland dress, but there was still a distinct 'Scottishness' about them. The knitted 'Scots bonnet' was as popular in the Lowlands, and lowlanders also utilized plaids when travelling or engaged in other outdoor pursuits (though not worn belted/kilted)....

It is worth remembering this when looking at Scotland's History and Culture, and also that the Highland/Lowland cultural divide is often overstated. Many Highlanders no longer speak Gaelic, and Glasgow has more native Gaelic speakers than the Western Isles. On the other hand indigenous forms of Scots are spoken from the Northern Isles and Caithness to the Mull of Galloway.

[MacHenderson]

Speaking of Rob Roy, I found this picture of Liam Neeson as Robert after a quick google search.

I wondered how accurate his garb was in this photo? I know Hollywood has a nasty reputation for taking liberties when it comes to historical garb, but I was curious how far off they were in this movie. I always liked the look, and have been tentatively basing my own outfit around this one.

[Woodsheal]

Speaking of Rob Roy, I found this picture of Liam Neeson as Robert after a quick google search.

I wondered how accurate his garb was in this photo? I know Hollywood has a nasty reputation for taking liberties when it comes to historical garb, but I was curious how far off they were in this movie. I always liked the look, and have been tentatively basing my own outfit around this one.

The only problems I have with Rob's outfit in the movie are: the leather jacket (period descriptions are all wool), and the circular brooch (always described as women's wear in period documents)...

[MacHenderson]

The only problems I have with Rob's outfit in the movie are: the leather jacket (period descriptions are all wool), and the circular brooch (always described as women's wear in period documents)...

Got it. So as apposed to the leather jacket, it'd be more accurate to get something like you're wearing in the very first picture? The hodden grey doublet? I had been considering the leather highland jerkin featured on ravenswood leather, but if wool was period correct, I may not.
http://www.ravenswoodleather.net/sho...=257&parent=17
And if not the brooch seen here, what would be acceptable? I made this one in metal shop a few years back; sorta simplistic design, but what do you think?

[Dale Seago]

And if not the brooch seen here, what would be acceptable? I made this one in metal shop a few years back; sorta simplistic design, but what do you think?

The pennanular type like that is a historically correct style, but for around the 10th Century and earlier.

Straight "bodkin" type pins are what you want for that period. You can see some examples, including some pics of actual ones from that era, in this thread at SFI.

[Captain_Cogle]

Might consider avoiding Ravenswood Leather. My wife was a seamstress for the guy and he is the single most anti-kilt guy I have ever met. Scotsmen are transvestites in his opinion.

[Erikm]

I have been also wondering that? Like mine not sure how historical accurate it is.
Any places to find one more authentic?

[Captain_Cogle]

@ ErikM, personally I think you look great. Is your bonnet knit or sewn? My only suggestions would be to GET DIRTY and perhaps invest in a custom made dirk. Pricey I know! There are a few sources out there making correct hand dyed knit bonnets, including myself, www.barkertownsutlers.com is another option for you and I understand that www.dirtybillyshats.com is now offering bonnets as well but they are not on the website.

@ Nick, Bonnets were worn according to personal preference. In most images we see them either simply atop the head or slouched forward in flat cap style. I prefer mine cocked to the side because I find it more comfortable. I am not familiar with Ryan Ross's bonnets but most modern bonnets are sewn rather than knit and synthetically dyed. Bonnets of the period were always hand knit, felted and dyed with indigo or woad. I hand knit and hand dye all of my bonnets. Hope that helps some what!

Here are some pics of some period correct bonnets I have made. Please forgive my utterly terrible photography skills.

[Ryan Ross]

Also what makes a bonnet from that period different from the modern types? I like the look of Ryan Ross's bonnets, but are they historical in fashion?

@ Nick, Bonnets were worn according to personal preference. In most images we see them either simply atop the head or slouched forward in flat cap style. I prefer mine cocked to the side because I find it more comfortable. I am not familiar with Ryan Ross's bonnets but most modern bonnets are sewn rather than knit and synthetically dyed. Bonnets of the period were always hand knit, felted and dyed with indigo or woad. I hand knit and hand dye all of my bonnets. Hope that helps some what!

Here are some pics of some period correct bonnets I have made. Please forgive my utterly terrible photography skills.

My bonnets are knit by hand, I assure you...


As to how a knit bonnet can serve for different periods with minor adjustments:

Modernish style:



19th century style (almost the same as above, mind you):


17th and 18th century style (knit from hand spun, natural colored yarn):