Ever use a purse as a sporran ?

[davidlpope]

I assume that since it's wrong, somehow, to use a re-made purse as a sporran, that people will be consistent and will find the following vendor to be absolutely horrible. They have destroyed the sacred mens sporran and turned it into a WOMANS CLOTHING ARTICLE...which is, at it's core, fundamentally WRONG.

http://sporran-nation.co.uk/sporran-bags.html



Sporrans are for MEN, and anything that looks like a sporran but is for a woman is SACRILEGE.

I mean, if the logic goes one way...that somehow it's "wrong" for a man to wear, even modified....a womans bag to carry his wallet and keys in, then it must be equally "wrong" for a woman to wear, even modified...a mens bag to carry her wallet and keys in. That nifty pink bag is clearly a modified sporran, right?

Right?

Because you know, I figure that if the logic works one way for one gender, it's only fair for it to work the other way, for the other gender. If you think it's fine for a woman to wear a sporran-ish shoulder bag, modified with pink leather and buttons and flowers, then I kind of don't see where you can get off throwing a fit about a guy modifying a plain brown leather purse to wear as a sporran.

I think there's a clear distinction here that no amount of rhetoric can erase.

The pictured "sporran-purse" is obviously a "gimmick", done up to be cute and trendy, much like the fad of "cigar-box" purses a few years back. Despite the fact that it is clearly constructed in the manner of a sporran, it is created to be used as a lady's purse. The fact that it looks like a sporran is what makes it "gimmicky", "ironic", etc.

The original example is a woman's purse, bought at a thrift shop. No matter what you do to it, it will still look as if you've strapped a woman's purse on the front of your kilt. It looks contrived and costumey, and contributes to the notion that highland dress is a type of Halloween costume, a mishmash of whatever you happen to throw together, like a kid tying a bath towel around his neck and saying it's "a cape" as he pretends to be Superman.

I have a couple of day sporrans here at the house that I no longer wear. If someone is really in need of a sporran and considering wearing a lady's purse, please PM me. I'll mail one out today.

David

[English Bloke]

That's kind of you David. A generous gesture indeed. Even though I don't need one, thanks for doing that.

[Spartan Tartan]

whoo hoo! This got rather heated did it not?

Alan, I commend your application of logic. Being a math-guy, I can truly appreciate the "if A and B, then C" thing. That said, logic is based upon a given set of agreed upon assumptions...quick example: Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometry. Everyone knows that a triangle has 180 degree--in EUCLIDEAN geometry. Not at all the case otherwise. We have to agree upon assumptions for the logic to work out "both ways"...well, that's enough of that I suppose.

I would like to point out, though, that the OP SPECIFCIALLY Asked "What does everyone think would you wear it, Would you ever wear a purse as a sporran."

The OP never suggested that others use or not use a purse as a sporran, but DID ask for the opinions of others...As I mentioned previously, I personally would never do it. Why would I when there are so many beautiful sporrans out there to choose from? Although, if I saw a guy walking kilted down the street wearing a purse as a sporran, I'd just be glad they had a sense of style and were wearing the kilt. I certainly would not judge them for doing something i wouldn't do. For what it's worth, I would never run a marathon either...doesn't mean I don't look up to and appreciate those that do.

[English Bloke]

Not heated here ST... Just Blokes chatting.

[Spartan Tartan]

True...but FAR more exciting to read and keep up with than just a bunch of "Yes" and "No" responses.

Okay, so MAAAAYBE, I was trying to get a minor fire started

[English Bloke]

You wanna watch that tendency, you can get your fingers burned...

[Whidbey78]

You wanna watch that tendency, you can get your fingers burned...

Nay! What fun would that be??

[Alan H]

Why does there have to a rule of logic applied to it Alan? If a Lady wishes to use a sporran as a handbag that's just smashin', more power to her. If a bloke wants to use a handbag as a sporran that's absolutely dandy too. It doesn't mean I have to or all ladies have to grab sporrans. It's about personal choice. You wear white socks, I wear black. I'm not keen on white socks... You don't like black! Sowhaa! I'm still sleeping easily because your choice is not my worry.

We are free to make whatever choices we like and on web fora like this we are free to exchange ideas as to why we make the choices we do with other folks who might be interested. I thought that was the point of being here.

Chill out mate, please stop lecturing everybody. Nothing on here is a matter of great importance and with respect, there's no need to brow-beat everyone who holds an opinion contrary to yours.

I'm not trying to light your fuse by the way... If you think I am, before you go off like a ten bob rocket, just have a quick re-read of your post above and see it from the readers perspective.

EDIT: I'm not a member of the order of the dandelion either.

Because I'm logical.

As for lecturing, I'm unlikely to stop any time soon.

As for the ten bob rocket, I think people have some image of me sitting here at this desk, pounding my fist on the table and foaming at the mouth while I type. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Alan H]

Alan...

What's good for the goose is NOT ALWAYS good for the gander.

Would you expect a woman to open a man's car door (if his hands weren't full)?

Sure, if she got there first. It happens to me all the time.

Is Chivalry truly dead or is that a double standard?

I read a lot of Kind Arthur stories as a kid and enjoyed them. However, it's now the 21st century. I treat women with respect (at least I try) and I also respect their ability to do stuff like throw cabers, fix cars, shoot guns, drive airplanes, patrol a police beat and so on. I am friends with women who throw a shot put farther than I do, who can incline press and squat and deadlift more than I can. They're still women. And yeah, I'll open a door for them if I get there first, and they'll open a door for me if they get there first. That doesn't make me any less of a man, or them less of a woman.

Should men get mamograms and visit an OBGYN yearly?

Huh? OK, you lost me there. Equating getting a mammogram or a pap smear with wearing a modified purse for a sporran kind of....well, not sure I get it.

This could just get silly when you think about it. Equal rights and equal treatment does not always mean exactly the same treatment in all circumstances. Men and women are different and it's those differences that make the opposite sex wonderful.

Of course.

Women will wear whatever women want to wear. They've made statements throughout the 20th century by wearing what they want to wear... mens cloths, women's clothes, dresses made of paper (look it up), etc. MEN on the other hand, tend to follow the herd a bit more closely... even those of us that wear kilts usually stick to 'kilt accessories' and not handbags. That goes for 'contemporary' kilt wearers AND traditionalists.

I have to ask, where's the logic of saying that doing all those things is fine for women, but not fine for men? I totally agree that we DO tend to operate that way, but it's in no way logical. Does it HAVE to be logical? I suppose not, but that bugs me.

Are there those that crossdress or 'stretch the boundaries' of what is masculine or feminine? Yes, but that's not the topic here (and is against the rules of XMARKS to discuss).

As others pointed out, it's a matter of personal opinion. The OP asked a question and many of us have answered in the negative. Does that mean you CAN'T wear a purse as a sporran? No. It just means we disagree on this one topic.

There you go....we agree at the end. We agree to disagree. **High five** I personally wouldn't wear that purse as a sporran, either. I might very well take it apart and modify it into something that I liked better and then wear that, though.

[Alan H]

whoo hoo! This got rather heated did it not?

Alan, I commend your application of logic. Being a math-guy, I can truly appreciate the "if A and B, then C" thing. That said, logic is based upon a given set of agreed upon assumptions...quick example: Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometry. Everyone knows that a triangle has 180 degree--in EUCLIDEAN geometry. Not at all the case otherwise. We have to agree upon assumptions for the logic to work out "both ways"...well, that's enough of that I suppose.

I would like to point out, though, that the OP SPECIFCIALLY Asked "What does everyone think would you wear it, Would you ever wear a purse as a sporran."

The OP never suggested that others use or not use a purse as a sporran, but DID ask for the opinions of others...As I mentioned previously, I personally would never do it. Why would I when there are so many beautiful sporrans out there to choose from? Although, if I saw a guy walking kilted down the street wearing a purse as a sporran, I'd just be glad they had a sense of style and were wearing the kilt. I certainly would not judge them for doing something i wouldn't do. For what it's worth, I would never run a marathon either...doesn't mean I don't look up to and appreciate those that do.

Well said!

...errrr.... written.