Fit and misfits of online kilt ads or setting odd examples?

[Nanook]

From North of St Andews:



Then looking at the premiere in Highland garb Kinloch Anderson (where they surely have the budget and know-how to have premiere league photos):


Here the coat is not stressed and buttoned but its clearly a tad large and the sleeves are way too long (in that pose the sleeves should be just short of the wrist bone and a bit of shirt (and cuff links) should show.

Scotweb:


Quickly going through eBay:

(bigger and bigger is better, right!?)

(all of the above jackets are probably quite similar to one another and all probably made of cloth from the same mill).

This might just be an "English sensibility".

Degge and Skinner (who represent Kinloch Anderson in London), by contrast, get it even right on a showroom dummy:

[McMurdo]

Nanook thanks for the photo essay on ill fitting garb.
You are quite right none of the Argylle jackets you show fit properly, however the style of them is slightly different, for example the first picture shows the sleves with the Prince Charlie style cuff, whereas the rest do not, the third picture down is with a vest and the rest are not, you assume that the fabric is from the same mill, you can not possibly know that from the photos.
I do agree with you that the last photo is quite sharp and I would be proud to wear that outfit.

I suppose that with buying from an online supplier you never know what you are going to get, you could even receive a cheap offshore knock off, when you are expecting the real thing, so as always buyer beware.

[Riverkilt]

My build is closest to the guy in the first photo. Which is why I had my jacket - and any future jackets - sewn up to my unusual measurements by Lochcarron. Off-the-rack just doesn't work for me.

My guess is the photographers/models did the best they could with off-the-rack sizes. A sad commentary on the vendor's attention to detail...and a warning, should you choose to heed it.

Ron

[Panache]

Degge and Skinner (who represent Kinloch Anderson in London), by contrast, get it even right on a showroom dummy:

Nanook,

Do you have any information about the curious second pocket directly above the first on the right side. I have on occasion seen this style and find it somewhat odd looking. I wondered if that second pocket has/ once had a specific purpose?

Cheers

Panache

[Cawdorian]

That upper pocket is called a ticket pocket, I presume it is to put your ticket stubs in. This is a style that has come and gone a couple of times over the years. I think is an english inspired style. I really like that sport coat too.

I've seen at least two cycles of this particular style, I must be telling my age.

[cavscout]

Here the coat is not stressed and buttoned but its clearly a tad large and the sleeves are way too long (in that pose the sleeves should be just short of the wrist bone and a bit of shirt (and cuff links) should show.


Degge and Skinner (who represent Kinloch Anderson in London), by contrast, get it even right on a showroom dummy:

I'd say the first photo above is just fine. Perhaps it could be a bit more fitted but for the average person who's wait may fluctuate over the life of a jacket this fitting is a reasonable look and still very sharp. Everything tied together looks very nice.

I may be misunderstanding the point on the last jacket but it does not seem tailored for kilt wear at all. Not personally my taste.

[Nanook]

Nanook thanks for the photo essay on ill fitting garb.
You are quite right none of the Argylle jackets you show fit properly, however the style of them is slightly different, for example the first picture shows the sleves with the Prince Charlie style cuff, whereas the rest do not, the third picture down is with a vest and the rest are not, you assume that the fabric is from the same mill, you can not possibly know that from the photos.

Its just an assumption. All of the pictures--- save the last--- came from reputable dealers (North Of St Andrews, Scottweb, Kinloch Anderson) whose jackets are declared as "Made in Scotland". Scottweb is pure (I think) Online and North of. St.A. is mainly eBay but both have been around and have, it seems, reasonable reputations for the quality of their jackets. Kinloch Anderson makes some of the finest kilts but their jackets are--- like these other suppliers--- quite a league apart from Saville Row but also a fraction of their price (£250.00 including VAT for a custom made Argyll puts their price, I think, at even under what Scottweb asks). Are the "North Of St Andrews" jackets any worse (their pictures clearly win the prize in that category)?

Do they use imported fabrics? The wollen barathea cloth from the Sub-continent is overwhelmingly mixed fibre (Wool+Poly) and not pure wool. Do they use parts from abroad? I'd also assume not.

I suppose that with buying from an online supplier you never know what you are going to get, you could even receive a cheap offshore knock off, when you are expecting the real thing, so as always buyer beware.

The same goes in a shop. How many high streets shops are selling clothing made offshore? The question these days is "Who not?".

[Nanook]

I'd say the first photo above is just fine. Perhaps it could be a bit more fitted but for the average person who's wait may fluctuate over the life of a jacket this fitting is a reasonable look and still very sharp.

If Kinloch Anderson's model--- and I must stress that I'm rather fond of Kinloch Anderson clothes--- goes out of shape enough to fill the void it still won't fit him. Its simply a coat in want of alteration. The jacket hangs and arms are long as if they were from a winter overcoat and not a semi-formal jacket. Kinloch Anderson does have enough tailors to fix that before a photo shoot.

Everything tied together looks very nice.

Its wonderfully presented but ill-fitting. Really a pity given their high international reputation.

I may be misunderstanding the point on the last jacket but it does not seem tailored for kilt wear at all. Not personally my taste.

The Dege & Skinner coat is clearly not for kilts. For Highland garb they represent Kinloch Anderson. I was just showing how even on a dummy they managed to present a jacket well fitting. Notice how even the shirt gently shows itself and how the jacket falls. I could have just as well chosen pictures from probably any tailor on or around Saville Row.


(Bond wearing a suit from via Barberini in Rome and not Saville Row)