Elizabeth Queen of Scots

[kilted scholar]

You may be interested in this item on the BBC iPlayer (soon to be removed) on the relationship between Elizabeth II and Scotland. There is a vast plenitude of kilts on display, an array so great that I daresay it would be extremely difficult to number them.

Purists on blood pressure medicine would be advised to have some ready to hand. There are a good number of hapless punters in white hose, I spotted several wearing ties of the same tartan as the kilt, and some distinguished gents receiving honours from Her Majesty displayed scarcely any daylight between kilt and sock. Mercifully no flat caps were visible.

That aside, this is an entertaining, enlightening and visually fascinating programme.

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ueen_of_Scots/
before it is too late.

[auld argonian]

Sadly, unavailable to those of us in the USA...we'll just have to wait.

Best

AA

[kilted scholar]

Sadly, unavailable to those of us in the USA...we'll just have to wait.

Best

AA

That's a pity - but I expect it'll show up sooner or later on PBS.

[clanciankent]

You may be interested in this item on the BBC iPlayer (soon to be removed) on the relationship between Elizabeth II and Scotland. There is a vast plenitude of kilts on display, an array so great that I daresay it would be extremely difficult to number them.

Purists on blood pressure medicine would be advised to have some ready to hand. There are a good number of hapless punters in white hose, I spotted several wearing ties of the same tartan as the kilt, and some distinguished gents receiving honours from Her Majesty displayed scarcely any daylight between kilt and sock. Mercifully no flat caps were visible.

That aside, this is an entertaining, enlightening and visually fascinating programme.

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ueen_of_Scots/
before it is too late.

[Phil]

Programmes such as this do raise the interesting conundrum of just who is entitled to wear the kilt? There are some here who would insist that only native born Scots from the Highlands of Scotland have that right so the same question must arise about the Saxe-Coburg Gotha dynasty (recently re-named Windsor), none of whom were born or live in Scotland (apart from a holiday home there) nor even have any Scottish ancestors apart from a distant relative of George I, descended from the Stuarts. Until the late wife of George VI they didn't even marry British people, confining themselves to German and other European princesses, and even she insisted publicly that she was not Scottish as some used to imply but was born and bred English.
I have no issues with them wearing kilts and, in fact, it has very probably ensured the continued wearing and popularity of the garment but I would like to ask how this sits with those who take a contrary view about eligibility for kilt-wearing.

[auld argonian]

Phil, by recently renamed Windsor, you mean since 1917....

....I always admire the sense of history the folks in the UK have....for us over here it was a long ways back but, since your history is so long, it's a little while ago!

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AA

[thescot]

Phil, by recently renamed Windsor, you mean since 1917....

....I always admire the sense of history the folks in the UK have....for us over here it was a long ways back but, since your history is so long, it's a little while ago!

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AA

Yeah, me, too. I remember seeing a baptismal font that pre-dated 1066 in chesterfield. I was thinking, "There's almost nothing extant in the U.S. that I am likely to see that is that old." I know, I know, there are ancient ruins and such around, so please don't lecture me about ancient civilations on the American continents , but that font was still being used!

HRH the Duke of Rothesay has shoes older that most of the houses around here!

[madmacs]

HRH the Duke of Rothesay has shoes older that most of the houses around here!

Off topic I know, but I really do wish everything over here didnt get demolished the way it does in the name of progress... Even 50's/60's architecture is fading...

There is a nice st louis website http://www.builtstlouis.net/ which is worth a wander through if architecture interests anyone...

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Yeah, me, too. I remember seeing a baptismal font that pre-dated 1066 in chesterfield. I was thinking, "There's almost nothing extant in the U.S. that I am likely to see that is that old." I know, I know, there are ancient ruins and such around, so please don't lecture me about ancient civilations on the American continents , but that font was still being used!

HRH the Duke of Rothesay has shoes older that most of the houses around here!

While I'll freely admit that there is very little pre-17th century "European" architecture in North America I think most Americans (and Canadians) over-estimate the antiquity of British domestic architecture. Less than 20% of all houses in the UK date from before 1918. About 50% of all the houses in the UK have been built since 1960. In fact, 75% of the total number of houses in the UK were built after 1939. These percentages more-or-less correspond with the same housing demographic in the USA (and probably Canada, although I don't have hard numbers for our neighbors up North).

The big difference, of course, is architectural density. Compared to Canada or the USA the UK is a relatively small country, and everything is more tightly packed. Condensing many buildings into a relatively tight space does give the impression of "more", when in actual fact, the number of habitable/useful buildings constructed between 1800-1900 in North America exceeds the number of those buildings in the UK. Looking at the number of extant useful buildings constructed between 1700 and 1800, the UK would certainly have the advantage, Jamestown and Colonial Williamsburg not withstanding.

[McFarkus]

Yeah, me, too. I remember seeing a baptismal font that pre-dated 1066 in chesterfield. I was thinking, "There's almost nothing extant in the U.S. that I am likely to see that is that old." I know, I know, there are ancient ruins and such around, so please don't lecture me about ancient civilations on the American continents , but that font was still being used!

HRH the Duke of Rothesay has shoes older that most of the houses around here!

It is said that in Britain 100 miles is a long distance and in the States, 100 years is a long time.