Critique my Summer Kilt Wear II

[Jock Scot]

Unless he happened/happens to be in the Military and dressed in Summer Order before 18:00 o'clock.... But then yet still, he probably wouldn't have rolled his own sleeves up, he'd have some 'Oik' from the ranks to do it for him. [Only kidding Jock ]

--------or down.I have no doubts that you are quite right!

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Oh dear Matt, we are heading into the fog,mire and general misunderstandings of the social world that existed and in some ways still exist in Britain. Right or wrong, they probably exist here more than anywhere else in the world and as such are an almost complete mystery to the majority! In consequence, many subtleties (the pictures illustrate this) and general day to day quirks of the social minefield that are not noticed or understood, by those who do not understand.

Anyway, wonderful people though they were and are, shepherds are not gentlemen! Gentlemen in the days of the pictures were rather averse to physical effort(some still are!!) and most certainly would not deem that handling a sheep, never mind a flock of them, as a fitting pastime for a gentleman. Note the "gentlemen" standing and sitting in the background of the pictures-----no rolled up sleeves there, or much physical effort either! No sorry, its is very bad form for a gentleman to roll the sleeves above the elbow. LOL

Sorry, I must have missed the reference to "gentlemen" in the original question. Or, more likely, I was unconsciously applying the concept of "gentleman" that was instilled in me growing up, which has more to do with how one behaves one's self than any sort of social status or occupation. Plus, I suppose I identify more with the fellow wrestling in the burn with the sheep than those sitting on the hillside discussing the latest goings on in Edinburgh!

[Jock Scot]

Sadly Matt, being a gentleman and behaving in a gentlemanly manner do not necessarily march in step together.

[Cowher]

One of the hidden rules of British behaviour is that gentlemen only turn back the cuffs of their shirts two or three turns. Turning the cuffs back to above the elbow is considered to be very much "working class" (and decidedly non-U).

Short sleeve shirts tend to be very much a matter of personal taste, and those chiefs (certainly U) who spend much time at Scottish games in the USA will be seen in short sleeve shirts; the Earl of Caithness comes to mind in this instance. Indeed, the short sleeve shirt is not and was not unknown in Scotland; a quick glance through those "Clan and Tartan" books published by Johnson and Bacon in the immediate post-war era have several illustrations of men in kilts wearing short sleeve shirts.

What is U or non U? Did I miss the explanation earlier in this thread?




Oh and the entire "gentleman" thing. If gentlemen didn't do hard work then that rules me out.
Either way gentleman or not isn't it still traditional? Yeah if it was I, I would have worn a tatterall short rolled up with a grey vest and different color flashes preferably garter ties but that's a new addiction for me. I always think you look sharp. And if I saw you walking down the street I would complement your outfit.

I have to do one of these threads

[MacLowlife]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_and_non-U_English

U is upper (class), but saying Lowlife would be impolite, so they said Non U

[Cowher]

Thanks MacNonU.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Sadly Matt, being a gentleman and behaving in a gentlemanly manner do not necessarily march in step together.

Indeed, I think Robert Burns had a thing or two to say in that regard!

[macwilkin]

I tend to agree with most about the vest/ short sleeves thing.. The more I look at it, I think it's a little 'unbalanced' like the old tie with short sleeves NASA mission control look.

Those steely-eyed misslemen get a free pass in that area, INMHO. Gene Kranz, though, always wore long sleeves with his vests.

T.

[macwilkin]

MacLowlife, I think you've hit the nail on the head. The Venn Diagram overlap for Southern Preppy and THCD-enthusiast must be huge! On a hunch, do you have a subscription to Garden and Gun?

David,

Don't forget our conversations about topsiders and Nantucket Reds; there are a few of us Northern/Midwestern Preppies around as well.

T.

[saxandpipes]

What is U or non U? Did I miss the explanation earlier in this thread?




Oh and the entire "gentleman" thing. If gentlemen didn't do hard work then that rules me out.
Either way gentleman or not isn't it still traditional? Yeah if it was I, I would have worn a tatterall short rolled up with a grey vest and different color flashes preferably garter ties but that's a new addiction for me. I always think you look sharp. And if I saw you walking down the street I would complement your outfit.

I have to do one of these threads

(emphasis added)

Yes,

please do! I'm inspired myself.

Cheers!

Michael