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11th November 08, 09:32 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by hospitaller
somebody forgot to inform Clan Young of that little detail...
Hector,
Gilmore is correct in his statement and is following Scots custom. If you search the Standing Council of Scottish Chief's web site, you should find no reference to a Chief of the Clan Young. However, the following article from electricscotland.com does shed some light on Clan Young's status with the Lyon Court:
http://www.electricscotland.com/webc...oz/young2.html
Many Scottish clans do not have a chief at present, yet this should not deminish the work of their clan societies; witness the Buchanan Society, one of the oldest clan societies (founded in the early 19th century in Scotland).
Regards,
Todd
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11th November 08, 10:38 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Hector,
Gilmore is correct in his statement and is following Scots custom. If you search the Standing Council of Scottish Chief's web site, you should find no reference to a Chief of the Clan Young. However, the following article from electricscotland.com does shed some light on Clan Young's status with the Lyon Court:
http://www.electricscotland.com/webc...oz/young2.html
Many Scottish clans do not have a chief at present, yet this should not deminish the work of their clan societies; witness the Buchanan Society, one of the oldest clan societies (founded in the early 19th century in Scotland).
Regards,
Todd
That is my point Todd.
The Lord Lyon granted Clan Young the 'permission' to re-convene, thus there is a Clan Young, even though there is still no chief pending the administrative periods estipulated in order to find a rightful Chief.
So, based on Gilmore's statement (no chief no clan), someone forgot to mention that to the Lord Lyion and the Clan Young members (myself included), as there obviously is a Clan Young, even without a Chief (at the moment)
That is all.
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11th November 08, 10:54 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by hospitaller
That is my point Todd.
The Lord Lyon granted Clan Young the 'permission' to re-convene, thus there is a Clan Young, even though there is still no chief pending the administrative periods estipulated in order to find a rightful Chief.
So, based on Gilmore's statement (no chief no clan), someone forgot to mention that to the Lord Lyion and the Clan Young members (myself included), as there obviously is a Clan Young, even without a Chief (at the moment)
That is all.
All's well that end's well then. How was I to know, since you didn't mention this in your first post? 
T.
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16th November 08, 07:26 PM
#4
Now there you go. The very article you point to confirms that the Lord Lyon acknowledges the EXISTANCE of a clan with no chief.
"On May 16, 1989 Malcolm R. Innes of Edingight, CVO, WS Lord Lyon King of Arms Scotland, confirmed the right for Clan Young to have a Crest Badge for all members of Clan Young...."
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Hector,
Gilmore is correct in his statement and is following Scots custom. If you search the Standing Council of Scottish Chief's web site, you should find no reference to a Chief of the Clan Young. However, the following article from electricscotland.com does shed some light on Clan Young's status with the Lyon Court:
http://www.electricscotland.com/webc...oz/young2.html
Many Scottish clans do not have a chief at present, yet this should not deminish the work of their clan societies; witness the Buchanan Society, one of the oldest clan societies (founded in the early 19th century in Scotland).
Regards,
Todd
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17th November 08, 09:18 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by AcuteEnigma
Now there you go. The very article you point to confirms that the Lord Lyon acknowledges the EXISTANCE of a clan with no chief.
"On May 16, 1989 Malcolm R. Innes of Edingight, CVO, WS Lord Lyon King of Arms Scotland, confirmed the right for Clan Young to have a Crest Badge for all members of Clan Young...."
Of course, the $64,000 question is the status of the Buchanan chiefship with the Lyon Court -- at present, the chiefship of Clan Buchanan is dormant, and to my knowledge, no commander has been appointed by the Lyon Court.
That being said, the Buchanan Society does have a fairly long history, being one of the first clan societies established in 1725, as I mentioned before.
I'm sure Rathdown or Sketraw could add to this discussion.
Regards,
Todd
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17th November 08, 12:07 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by cajunscot
Of course, the $64,000 question is the status of the Buchanan chiefship with the Lyon Court -- at present, the chiefship of Clan Buchanan is dormant, and to my knowledge, no commander has been appointed by the Lyon Court.
That being said, the Buchanan Society does have a fairly long history, being one of the first clan societies established in 1725, as I mentioned before.
I'm sure Rathdown or Sketraw could add to this discussion.
Regards,
Todd
Maybe under certain circumstances, anarchy is not such a bad thing.
Steve
A Buchanan of Sorts
P.S. - I have a buddy whose last name is Buchanan. He said the worst mispronunciation of the name he ever had to endure was, "Bush-Na-Na." He still has to endure it, but from me, now.
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17th November 08, 12:12 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by Jack Daw
... P.S. - I have a buddy whose last name is Buchanan. He said the worst mispronunciation of the name he ever had to endure was, "Bush-Na-Na." He still has to endure it, but from me, now.
Hey! I think I just bought a pair of shoes made buy that Bush Na-Na guy!
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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