joining the clan

[macwilkin]

somebody forgot to inform Clan Young of that little detail...

Hector,

Gilmore is correct in his statement and is following Scots custom. If you search the Standing Council of Scottish Chief's web site, you should find no reference to a Chief of the Clan Young. However, the following article from electricscotland.com does shed some light on Clan Young's status with the Lyon Court:

http://www.electricscotland.com/webc...oz/young2.html

Many Scottish clans do not have a chief at present, yet this should not deminish the work of their clan societies; witness the Buchanan Society, one of the oldest clan societies (founded in the early 19th century in Scotland).

Regards,

Todd

[hospitaller]

Hector,

Gilmore is correct in his statement and is following Scots custom. If you search the Standing Council of Scottish Chief's web site, you should find no reference to a Chief of the Clan Young. However, the following article from electricscotland.com does shed some light on Clan Young's status with the Lyon Court:

http://www.electricscotland.com/webc...oz/young2.html

Many Scottish clans do not have a chief at present, yet this should not deminish the work of their clan societies; witness the Buchanan Society, one of the oldest clan societies (founded in the early 19th century in Scotland).

Regards,

Todd

That is my point Todd.

The Lord Lyon granted Clan Young the 'permission' to re-convene, thus there is a Clan Young, even though there is still no chief pending the administrative periods estipulated in order to find a rightful Chief.

So, based on Gilmore's statement (no chief no clan), someone forgot to mention that to the Lord Lyion and the Clan Young members (myself included), as there obviously is a Clan Young, even without a Chief (at the moment)

That is all.

[macwilkin]

That is my point Todd.

The Lord Lyon granted Clan Young the 'permission' to re-convene, thus there is a Clan Young, even though there is still no chief pending the administrative periods estipulated in order to find a rightful Chief.

So, based on Gilmore's statement (no chief no clan), someone forgot to mention that to the Lord Lyion and the Clan Young members (myself included), as there obviously is a Clan Young, even without a Chief (at the moment)

That is all.

All's well that end's well then. How was I to know, since you didn't mention this in your first post?

T.

[jordanjm]

If there is no chief, there is no clan.

I belong to Clan MacGillivray, which currently has no chief.

[macwilkin]

I belong to Clan MacGillivray, which currently has no chief.

Information:

http://www.mcgillivray.us/chiefshipintro.html

Regards,

Todd

[Bugbear]

Is there a thought here, by Gilmore, that the nature of Scottish clans can not have evolved from their old ways as the world has changed? In other words, the clans must be exactly the same as they were two or three hundred years ago or they do not exist.
I think both the word and the subject "clan" have changed over time as has the world.

The voice of Gilmore in my head may now smash my argument.

[BEEDEE]

If there is no chief, there is no clan.

Not strictly true. Clan MacRae has not had a Chief for many years but still exisits. There was an attempt about 40 or so years ago by one of the branches to claim the Chieftain but it did not pass the Lord Lyons Court.

Brian

[gilmore]

Not strictly true. Clan MacRae has not had a Chief for many years but still exisits. There was an attempt about 40 or so years ago by one of the branches to claim the Chieftain but it did not pass the Lord Lyons Court.

Brian

Take a look at the list of clans here and the information just above it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_clan

[Dirk Skene]

Wear what you want. Let no one tell you different. Anyone that does is a moron.

[macwilkin]

Wear what you want. Let no one tell you different. Anyone that does is a moron.

That's a pretty disrespectful statement, Dirk.

In the end, it's no skin off my nose what anyone chooses to wear in terms of tartan, but if someone asks me my "professional" opinion as a historian, I'm going to be honest and not tell them what they want to hear.

Todd