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piperdbh heraldry language source? 30th March 11, 10:34 AM
MacMillan of Rathdown The language of blazon as... 30th March 11, 12:13 PM
Morris at Heathfield To add to that, it's my... 30th March 11, 02:32 PM
MacMillan of Rathdown Generally speaking this is... 30th March 11, 07:50 PM
MacMillans son Thanks 30th March 11, 08:46 PM
Downunder Kilt I too would like to add to... 31st March 11, 02:49 AM
Joseph McMillan See if this works: ... 30th March 11, 03:06 PM
Joseph McMillan There's a very funny rant... 30th March 11, 03:12 PM
Schiehallion No mention of the mound upon... 31st March 11, 03:09 AM
SlackerDrummer The compartment, as it is... 31st March 11, 06:07 AM
Joseph McMillan Since the secondary motto of... 31st March 11, 06:53 AM
MacMillan of Rathdown I seem to recall seeing... 31st March 11, 07:40 AM
MacMillan of Rathdown The compartment and second... 31st March 11, 07:34 AM
MacMillan of Rathdown Because I couldn't post the... 31st March 11, 07:06 AM
KenB Thanks for the question and... 31st March 11, 05:08 AM
Mike_Oettle Joe, thanks for posting that... 31st March 11, 02:11 PM
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    The language of blazon as used in the English speaking world tends, by and large, to be a slightly bastardized version of medieval French; outside of France most others countries blazon in their native language.

    When blazoning a coat of arms the blazon starts with the colour or colours of the shield then progresses to the charges on the shield (animals, crosses, geometric devices, etc.), followed by a description of any external ornamentation that may be exemplified (helmet, crest, supporters, etc.)

    If blazoning the arms of my chief one would say:

    or (meaning the shield is gold in colour) a lion (the principle charge) rampant (how it is depicted (rearing up) on the shield) sable (black) armed and langued gules (indicating that the claws, teeth and tongue are red) in chief (meaning that the next named charge, or charges if there is more than one, will be placed within the top 1/3 of the shield) three mullets (stars used as a subordinate charge) aruze (the colour blue).

    If the external ornamentation were to be exemplified, then the blazon would continue: above the shield is placed a helmet argent (silver) garnished (trimmed) or as befits his degree (different social ranks are accorded different styles of helmets) with a mantling (the frilly bit surrounding the helmet) or doubled sable (this means folded so as to display both sides) and on a wreath of the Liveries (this is the "twisted rope" on top of the helmet and unless else-wise blazoned is usually the first two named tinctures of the blazon-- in this instance sable and or) is set for a crest a dexter and sinister hand brandishing a broadsword proper (proper means painted in their natural colours) above which is placed an escroll upon which is the motto "Miseris Succurrere Disco" and as supporters (the critters placed on either side of the shield) a lion rampant sable, armed and langued gules, collared or (indicating that the lion is wearing a gold collar) charged thereon (meaning placed upon the collar) with three mullets azure.

    From the above blazon virtually any armourist could accurately render the arms of Macmillan of Macmillan and Knap.

    (I have tried repeatedly to add a picture of the above arms, thus far without success. I shall, however, endeavour to persevere.)
    Last edited by MacMillan of Rathdown; 30th March 11 at 01:35 PM. Reason: can't get the #@**!! picture to load

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    To add to that, it's my understanding that, in the wreath, the first twist is normally (always?) the metal (or or argent), and the next twist is the color.

    To give the other answer to the question, the motto can be in any language, as far as I know. In English arms the motto is often in Latin, French, or English. In Scottish arms the motto may also be in Scots or Gaelic.

    Also, while English is the base language of English (and Scottish) heraldry, and medieval French is the source of most of the specialized vocabulary, there are a few terms (e.g. dexter and sinister) that were borrowed directly from Latin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morris at Heathfield View Post
    To add to that, it's my understanding that, in the wreath, the first twist is normally (always?) the metal (or or argent), and the next twist is the color.
    Generally speaking this is the case, however some petitioners have been granted specific livery colours and these may then be displayed as the wreath (or torse as it is sometimes called). Cyril Woods of Slane, Baron of Slane chose to have his livery colours (unusually three colours; or, sable, and gules) so displayed in the exemplification of his arms on his letters patent.

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    Thanks

    Thanks Piperdbh for the question, and Scott for the detailed answer. I will save your response for a deciphering tool in the future! Very helpful.

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    I too would like to add to MacMillan's sons post and thank all those who have contributed their knowledge to this thread.
    As far a heraldry goes I am a ninkanpoop and dunderhead, but with your extremely helpfull explanations, I should be able to work out what is going on in future discusions, well at least to some degree and not simply sit and stare at the screen and think "what are they on about?"

    Thankyou again and cheers
    Shoot straight you bastards. Don't make a mess of it. Harry (Breaker) Harbord Morant - Bushveldt Carbineers

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    (I have tried repeatedly to add a picture of the above arms, thus far without success. I shall, however, endeavour to persevere.)
    See if this works:


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