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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlen View Post
    Also, as far as historical precedent goes, I doubt most people today would consider a jacket this cut or lenth remotely suitable highland attire, and yet John Brown obviously did.
    These are the pictures that I've found of John Brown.




    The jackets depicted in all three photos look to be variations of a kilt-length sack coat. Is there any evidence that John Brown wore a double-breasted shadbelly jacket with his kilt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidlpope View Post
    These are the pictures that I've found of John Brown.
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    The jackets depicted in all three photos look to be variations of a kilt-length sack coat. Is there any evidence that John Brown wore a double-breasted shadbelly jacket with his kilt?

    Cordially,

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    None that I know of. I was simply referring to the length of the coat. It is far longer than any of the Kilt Jackets or Doublets considered suitable today. That's all. The jackets depicted in the first two pictures are closer to the length of a regular modern 'suit' jacket thank a Kilt cut jacket.
    All I intended to illustrate is that there have been many styles of Highland attire over the centuries and only relatively recently has it begun to be set in stone what is 'acceptable.'

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    Also, as far as historical precedent goes, I doubt most people today would consider a jacket this cut or lenth remotely suitable highland attire, and yet John Brown obviously did.

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    This was posted to discuss Regencey style of dress. However, wouldn't this be durring the Victorian Period? Or were you making a second point about personal style?
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    Mine may be a minority opinion, but I tend to regard pipers as wearing either uniforms or costumes as a necessary part of their performance. I don't regard their attire as necessarily representative of what may constitute expected civilian Highland attire.

    I think if you saw the double breasted jacket worn without the pipes you would possibly form the opinion that it is not really something appropriate to the kilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    Mine may be a minority opinion, but I tend to regard pipers as wearing either uniforms or costumes as a necessary part of their performance. I don't regard their attire as necessarily representative of what may constitute expected civilian Highland attire.

    I think if you saw the double breasted jacket worn without the pipes you would possibly form the opinion that it is not really something appropriate to the kilt.
    Perhaps, but I think this pic, as previously posted in several threads, shows a double breasted civilian look to good effect. Perhaps it is just the fellow's attitude that makes it work.



    I was thinking one could have something made up to the purpose, rather than adapting a Montrose in this fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by svc40bt View Post
    Perhaps, but I think this pic, as previously posted in several threads, shows a double breasted civilian look to good effect. Perhaps it is just the fellow's attitude that makes it work.



    I was thinking one could have something made up to the purpose, rather than adapting a Montrose in this fashion.
    Well, it appears to me that the fellow is wearing a Montrose made up in black wool, which is probably somewhat cooler than if it was made up in velvet. Obviously the wearer had the right idea, but (in my opinion) lacked the courage of his convictions.

    Imagine how much more striking this Montrose would look if the turnbacks were a deep burgundy, and the collar velvet instead of the same fabric as the jacket. Add to that a shirt with a wing collar and a really full jabot and, in my opinion, the gentleman would have captured much more of the gallant spirit of formal Highland attire.

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    this is not intended as an "historical" piece of attire, but I just finished alterations to a thrift store tweed jacket, that was a wee bit large, and have (for now - may alter it later) made it look like a double-breasted jacket ( the 2nd set of buttons are only 'for show'):

    as is, it is a sort of "Crail-style" tweed jacket, with epaulettes, but double-breasted. To make it single breasted would involve taking-in material on the front - and the side seam runs through the pockets - so I'll wait on that, while I decide if I really want to go to the extra work.
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